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Transcription – Mark Fisher Show 183

Chantal:               Mark, welcome along. I am so excited to have you on the show today.

Mark:                    Thank you so much. I’m so excited to be here.

Chantal:               Now, I wanna give everyone a little bit of background about how we actually came to meet, because we only met a couple of months ago at the Idea World Convention 2018, and as it happens you were in there facilitating a … like a mastermind type workshop. Am I describing it correctly?

Mark:                    Yeah, I think that’s an accurate of sharing it, yeah, I was sort of, facilitated Breakout, so that the people attending the conference had an opportunity to connect with each other, and share resources, and troubleshoot each other’s pain points.

Chantal:               So, Mark was facilitating this kind of workshop, and at the time for those of you that didn’t know, I actually ended up having severe laryngitis during Idea World, so I walked in, and was sort of sitting very quietly listening to Mark facilitate, I even kind of, he had everyone in the room absolutely gripped to every word that he was saying, and I was there thinking, “Oh my goodness, I’ve got to get Mark on the show, but I can’t actually ask him to come on the show.” So, I’m pretty sure I grabbed you at the end, and kind of whispered very quietly that we needed you to come on, and share some of your wisdom with the FBP Family, so I’m glad that we are here today, and we have made it happen.

Mark:                    Amazing, I’m truly honoured, thank you so much.

Chantal:               Now, we gave everyone a little bit of a teaser as to what we’re talking about today in [Prequel quick 5-5 00:01:25] last week, but before we even get into the topic of productivity and organisation, give us a little bit of background about you. I’m fascinated to know how you got to opening your gyms, and of course now your consultancy, and I just love your unique take on everything that you do, so give us a little bit background about Mark Fisher.

Mark:                    Yeah, I’ll see if I can give you a high level version of the story. It’s been a wild and unexpected road, so I think the thing that is probably most pertinent to the way my life has turned out particularly as it relates to my career in the fitness industry, is that I was a not athletic person, that loved the theatre, and that wanted to pursue acting professionally, and I against all of my fears and misgivings finally forced myself to enter the gym at the very end of high school, and I slowly came to fall in love with the gym in over a period of several years, although fitness was something I found it daunting, and terrifying, and frankly indicative of everything I did not like about myself, and every insecurity I had around being skinny, and being weak, and what would girls think of me.

Mark:                    Over a period of several years, I came to like fitness, and like many actors, particularly those in New York City, It’s a tough profession, and I loved fitness so much that after many years of working on myself, I am a very enthusiastic person. I love learning about things, and I love sharing about the things that I’ve learned, so throughout my 20s, I slowly got more and more into fitness, and a super fast version is essentially by my late 20s, 30s, I had developed a very, I guess you could call it cult following in the broad way niche, and my particular approach was a little bit eccentric. If they go to the website they shall see, because not only did I have a background as an actor, and naturally had like something of a theatrical flair, but because I was working with my friends or community people that I think would identify as traditional fitness people.

Mark:                    I found incredible joy in taking what I considered to be the best practises in training, in nutrition and psychology behaviour change, and then wrapping it together with my studies throughout my 20s of classical philosophy and psychology, and then covering it into this chocolate sauce of eccentricity, and bizarreness, and in many ways, that’s how Mark Fisher Fitness began, particularly once I started teaching group class because I’ve done personal training for many years. It was something of a light bulb moment where the first time my background as a performer, and as a student of philosophy, and as a trainer all came together, and it became this interesting [inaudible 00:04:12] performance art thing that I had the opportunity to share, and flash forward within a brief period of time after signing, I was gonna stick in the city and give my training career a real go at it.

Mark:                    Within about nine months, things exploded to the point where we were looking at spaces, and my best friend from high school, I would say my non-sexual life partner Michael quit his job. He moved to New York. We completely the boats, and dumped all my life savings into the lease that we got. Michael literally moved his furniture into the home, and that was sort of why we always say we accidentally started a gym because it happened so quickly, and Michael’s background is the arts nonprofit. You probably couldn’t imagine a more unlikely duo gym. Until that end, It is with intentionality. We rarely use the term gym, so we don’t call the members clients, we call them Ninjas, and we don’t use the term gym, we call our home’s Enchanted Ninja Clubhouses Of Glory And Dreams, and our mascot is the unicorn, and the space is very eccentric. It’s filled with a lot of people that maybe otherwise wouldn’t be going through any sort of fitness [inaudible 00:05:24] at all, and it’s been a wild, it might be wild.

Mark:                    And, then I guess the final cherry on the Sunday is, we have been very fortunate because Mark Fisher Fitness has had some outsize success both, I think, and I hope really with the substantive behaviour change, but also doing some pretty crazy revenue numbers. We had a few cool feathers in our cup professionally that led to a lot of attention from the local and national media both in fitness and mainstream, and then that led to a lot of people being like, “What are you guys doing? What is this weird unicorn place?” And, because of that, Michael and I started having opportunities to work with other entrepreneurs in fitness.

Mark:                    I started doing a lot of speaking, and many ways that’s how Business for Unicorns was born, which is our other company where we work with entrepreneurs both inside, and outside of fitness, on our particular wheelhouse which we always describe really as the soft skills of business, so that’s everything from customer service, to management and team development, to organisational culture, and as part of that, that’s also why I do a lot of work in time management.

Chantal:               Well, Mark, there is so many things that I love about this story, not the least that your journey I think represents just what is possible from entering into the fitness industry, and what I mean by that is that gym ownership is an amazing position to be in a … and a privileged position in that you, as you say, you get to help people, and you get to bring people into fitness that perhaps might not have been exercising previously, but it has led you to Business for Unicorns, into opening up a whole new chapter of what you do, and I just love that.

Chantal:               I love what the fitness industry holds, and what the potential is possibly in the fitness industry, and you’re a great representation of that, so lets kind of take this into our main topic for today, and before I do I just have to say to everyone please jump onto Mark’s website, and jump onto his Instagram page because every single time I jump on Instagram, and you’ve post a photo from Mark Fisher Fitness, I get this big smile on my face because it’s, it nearly got like feathers or fluorescent pink tights or there is something on there that just makes me happy, so …

Mark:                    I always warn you it might not be safe for work, so …

Chantal:               Yeah, but it’s brilliant.

Mark:                    [crosstalk 00:07:40]

Chantal:               I love it. I love it, so look, we’re gonna be talking about productivity, and organisation, and I’ve got to tell you, I for one I’m a culprit of saving absolutely everything in my inbox, so like I am one of these people that, I’ve got emails, that probably date back to about 2005, and you come along and tell me that Inbox Zero is actually a thing. How do we make that happen Mark?

Mark:                    Well, you know, [inaudible 00:08:07] as is often the case there has both a skill set, and a mindset component, so the easiest thing to address is, I’ll actually unpack the skill set a little bit, and then address some of my thoughts around the mindset of Inbox Zero, so practically speaking, what tends to happen for most people in whatever email service provider we use, after we have read and, or dealt and, or responded to an email, we tend to leave it in our inbox, and then we delineate between things that have to be addressed, and things that have been addressed simply between, is it opened or unopened? And, a lot of people develop systems where they will purposely keep things unread if they need to go back to it depending on the email service provider.

Mark:                    Another thing I see done is people will star an email with the intention of going back to it later, and I don’t know that, any of this is wrong, that’s the first thing I’ll say, like I don’t know necessarily that system is wrong, but I think objectively, it’s just gonna be less efficient than getting things out of your inbox after you’ve dealt with them, so essentially when someone is processing an inbox, ideally whenever an email comes in, if you’re dealing with your email in a thoughtful way, and I also suggest most people are best off doing it in very dedicated discipline, three to maybe five times per day, and ideally not much else, and that’s a whole other challenge for a lot of people.

Mark:                    Once the email comes in and you’re processing it, if you don’t need it, you can immediately delete it. If you’re reading it, you just need to absorb the information, perhaps it’s CC’d on something that you don’t need to respond, you can archive it. An archive is the key to Inbox Zero, because what that means is, it’s still saved, but it’s not in your inbox. If you can respond immediately, your third option is to respond immediately. If it’s something you can quickly respond to, go ahead and do it, and then again, archive, get it out of your inbox because it’s been dealt with, and on the rare occasion, sometimes you’ll have an email that requires more thoughtful response, in which case, again, there’s different ways of slicing this pie based on the complexity of someone’s work systems.

Mark:                    But, there could be a case for leaving your inbox to deal with the reader, because really what we’re looking to do is make the inbox essentially a digital to do list where if something is in the inbox, that means there’s something we need to do, either, we need to respond, or there’s some other thing that needs to be done before we can archive that, and get that out of our inbox, so the one other skill set thing to address if someone is listening, and if they feel brave and inspired, and they’re ready for [inaudible 00:10:41]Inbox Zero, essentially most, and this depends a little bit on your email service provider. Most people use Gmail, I know today’s day and age, so if you go up to the top left of your, all the boxes where your emails are, you can actually select all, and select all of your emails. You can un-select the ones that you want to keep in the inbox because you need to deal with them, and then archive all would get them all out of there.

Mark:                    And then, ideally, you have one page where it’s … For most people it’s gonna be rare that we have more than 50 outstanding items we need to, so a good email inbox, in my experience should rarely be more than one page, unless you’ve been away for time, and you’ve just had a lot back up which is perfectly all well and good, and if someone is not using Gmail, there are all sorts of other, obviously depends a little on the email service provider. Admittedly, some systems are better than others. Outlook in particular tends to be a little bit more challenging, but to find how to do that with your email service provider, it’s pretty easy because you can just Google it, and find it out, and take action on that.

Mark:                    Now, the last thing I wanna address really quickly as I mentioned, is the mindset issue. For a lot of people, there’s like a mindset thing, right? And, it’s so interesting coming from a world of fitness, which is, tends to be about sets, and reps, and body fat, and weights, but in practise, winds up actually dealing a lot with emotions, and feelings, and time management I have discovered is not dissimilar. A lot of us get very set, and satisfied with certain routines and habits, but sometimes those routines are drastically, powerfully inefficient, and we’re getting by, and that’s not wrong. There’s one of my mentor Craig Valentines says, “Every minute we waste is a minute that we’ve robbed, that we could otherwise spend with our loved ones relaxing, or during other high leverage work to move the ball forward.”

Mark:                    So, I’m not sure everyone needs to do Inbox Zero. I’m certainly not here to shame anybody If somebody is absolutely adamant they don’t wanna do it, but my suggestion is if someone is really looking to make the maximum positive impact with their life if that’s something, a mission they share, then looking to [inaudible 00:12:45] I’m sure can solve all these little inefficiencies, can have a powerfully transformative effect, not just on our head space, and our ability to be present, and do high leveraged work, but also quite literally just being more effective with our time.

Chantal:               I can completely relate to what you’re saying about the mindset side of things because I know when my inbox is full to the brim, I feel the weight of that, and I feel the pressure to have to go through, and have a look at it, and I really liked that piece of advice that you gave about going to the top, selecting all, and then just deselecting the stuff that you need to focus on, because I think, speaking personally, I do leave a lot of stuff in there that doesn’t need to be in there, so I really like that strategy, and the other thing that I’ll just share with everyone, and Mark I’m sure you know this particular app, but one of the things that I am certainly no Inbox Zero person, I would like to work towards that, but one of the things that has helped me is the act or the service that is called Unroll.Me . Have you heard of it?

Mark:                    Yes.

Chantal:               That is one of the best [crosstalk 00:13:45] I’ve been thinking about, and for anyone that doesn’t know Unroll.Me, I’ll put a link in today’s show notes, but basically what that is, is that I don’t know how frequently it is. I feel like it pops up maybe once every two months or so, and it comes to you, and it says, “Okay, I have found all of these emails or these newsletters, or companies that you subscribed to, would you like me to unsubscribe you?” And you can go through, and there might be like 20 on there, and you can go, yes, no, yes, no, whatever you want, and just in one click of a button, it takes you off those email lists, and it is a beautiful weight lifted off your shoulders.

Mark:                    Just fantastic, yeah, Unroll.Me is absolutely a huge game changer for so many people.

Chantal:               I love that one. Now, let’s talk about to do lists, because all of the listeners of the show know that I’ve got to a certain strategy on how I handle my to do list, and I would love to know from you about, when it comes to really trying to manage what sometimes feels like a never ending to do list, how can we actually strategically prioritise our tasks to get more done, and to put some time back into our day?

Mark:                    So, in my experience, I think one of the things when I work with clients on time management that seems to be a consistent challenge for a lot of people first is, the first step of a good time management system [inaudible 00:15:09] is creating some sort of external brain, so one of the truisms of the space, a quote by a gentleman named David Allen who created Getting Things Done, GTD, which is one of the best systems ever for time management, has an amazing quote, he says that, “Brains are for having ideas not for remembering them.”

Mark:                    Brains are for having ideas, not from remembering them, and that is very true. In fact, there is a cognitive core that the brain has, It’s called the Zeigarnik Effect, which essentially means that when we have an open loop, when there’s something that we know we need to do, we have it written it somewhere that we trust we’ll get back to it later, your brain rightfully is gonna keep remembering, it’s gonna keep distracting you.

Mark:                    It’s much like a puppy that is hungry, that is not taking no for an answer, so having an external brain, and getting things out of your head into some sort of information capture system, whether it be an analogue notebook like I use the note’s app on your phone, an app designed for this, something like Evernote, perhaps maybe Google Docs, that is an amazing first step, and that’s super awesome, but until the to do list, there’s some system to organise it, so it exists in time. It can make people miserable, and sad, and crazy because it can feel like this overwhelming list of things that aren’t prioritised, or not sure when to get to them, and there’s never a sense of accomplishment in a day, and there is, as I continue to believe at this point, I think a mindset element to effective time management.

Mark:                    So, what we’re looking for is getting into the end of the day, and being like, “Yes, I did it. I got things done. I did the things that I said I was going to do.” And, admittedly the process, now, in theory, this concept is pretty easy to understand, right? We take things that are amorphous blob of things we need to do, and then we organise them in some meaningful way in time. Now, that could be everything from using a Google calendar, if you wanna do it in digitally. My own system is a very crude on the … I essentially label each day of my notebook with a day, and I sort of arbitrarily dump the things on there that need to be done with some awareness of deadlines particularly when it comes to strict tasks that I know need to happen in the next week or two. I usually have that labelled out a week or so.

Mark:                    So, there needs to be some moment of strategic thinking when we organise the things we’ve captured to do, and then make them exist in time, and the other thing about this, in, that is worth mentioning upfront, this concept is pretty simple to understand, but in fact, it’s actually challenging to execute because most of us when we start trying to make our to do list in time, will not be good at estimating how long things are gonna take, and that’s perfectly normal, and every master was once a disaster, so there’s not really a shortcut for that other than like anything else we start, we got to get the reps in, right? I mean, if it was fitness understands, you know, clients are always gonna feel like a baby doing it at, first and over time by thoughtfully analysing how long it’s taking you.

Mark:                    In my experience, people will get better at it, but it’s something I always wanna just warn people up front. It can be frustrating at first, because at the beginning we might schedule X amount of time to write a blog post, or X amount of time to do a task, and it could, sometimes it’ll go on unfortunately, you just gonna go way over, and over time most people get better at estimating how long things take.

Chantal:               Mark last week during the [Prequel Quick 5-5 00:18:33] you actually touched on what you do in the morning to kind of set your day up for success, and I think you also mentioned that you have like a night time ritual as well? Just in case-

Mark:                    Correct.

Chantal:               Anyone missed that last week, can you just briefly touch on those, because I loved the way that you set your day up, and I’m keen to hear how you round off each day [crosstak 00:18:54]

Mark:                    Yes, certainly, so I do have a pretty rigorous nighttime ritual. I try to, I’m not always perfect at this, sometimes there’s periods of heavy work where I do a little bit of email clean up before I go to bed to make the next day easier, but I try whenever possible to be done at least two or so hours before, and let’s say done, what I essentially do to end the day is I just look in my notebook, I look at my disorganised blob of things I’ve generally signed to do the next day. I think through my priorities, what needs to happen, and I make a meticulous calendar for the things I’m going to do when I wake up, and so for instance, I’m looking at right now, so for tomorrow morning I’m gonna get up at 7:00 AM. I give myself 30 minutes to snug with my dog, and meditate, at that point I will go grab my coffee, and I will grab my Athletic Greens, then I will read for 30 minutes, so 7:30 to 8:00 is reading time.

Mark:                    8:00 to 8:15, I’m working on a presentation. I’m speaking at Perform Better, which is a fitness conference here in the states in Chicago, and I’m dusting off this presentation, and make sure it’s ready to go to kick some butt, from 8:45 to 9:15, I will then, I’m working through our membership infusion soft series, for when someone signs up for Mark Fisher Fitness. I’m just reviewing it because it’s been two years, and I wanna make sure it’s as dynamic, and as concise, and as gripping as it can be and really give people good information to set themselves up for success, then I allow myself from 9:15 to 10:00, I’m going to clean out my inbox, I’m gonna hit out Facebook, do my social media correspondence, have a few emails I need to write, and by that point I’m ready to have a healthy snack, and then go do my mid morning workout.

Mark:                    So, the thing that I think is worth knowing about that, and again I’m not saying that other systems are long per se, but you’ll notice I’m up at 7:00, but I’m not touching email for the first few hours. I’m focusing on these high priority, high leverage items, and for me that is because I definitely do my best work in the morning. Not everyone’s like that. There are different chronotypes, which is just a fancy word that means some people do, do their best work later in the day, but for me from the minute I wake up, I am crisp, and that clock is ticking, I’m getting crispy, so I don’t ever wanna waste any of those first few hours doing anything other than my most important tasks that are the most challenging or require the most creativity, and that is essentially how I start most days.

Mark:                    What’s nice about this is, and this is no doubt, this is something I’m sure other people on this podcast spoken about, again, when you’re talking also about the sense of the science or this art of feeling like I’m doing, this art of feeling like I’m moving forward by 10:00, like I’m pretty good, like because you know, I’m an entrepreneur and sometimes days get really weird, right? At that point, you know, the rest of my day I can be a leader to my team, and I can take meetings, and you know, occasional have a fun day where it’s like on the lighter side I can get back to some of these projects. I can do some more continued education that’s amazing, but I know that, that first half of the day I’ve really moved the ball forward, and taking care not just of my business needs, but also by taking time to meditate, and getting my workout in, and making sure I have a couple of good meals, and I’m also taking care of the biological inputs.

Mark:                    And, coming from fitness no doubt I have a very strong bent that humans are not robots, and it’s very important to understand. We know this as fitness people that, we also need to take care of the physiological inputs for us to achieve high levels of productivity, that it’s not just enough to have these systems. We also need to make sure we’re taking care of sleep, and doing, and there lists of all sorts of practises the individuals to adopt, but we need to take care of those fitness of physiological inputs as well because we are not robots, we are biological entities, and that is key for not just the performance, but I might’ve just happiness.

Chantal:               Mark, I love everything that you just said. I think so much, because I can relate to so much that I know I that personally, I really have that energy, and that clarity first in the morning, and I don’t know if you’ve heard this quote before, but we actually had Mike Bledsoe on the show and Mike is from [crosstalk 00:22:59]

Mark:                    I just love Mike Bledsoe.

Chantal:               You know Mike?

Mark:                    I was just hanging out with him the last week.

Chantal:               Oh my God, there you go, okay, so he told me this quote and I live by this. He said to me, “Don’t start your day with emails or you’ll end up as someone else’s priority.”

Mark:                    Man, it’s so true. Another great quote along those lines I heard once is, “Email inboxes are convenient organising system for other people’s to do list.” I was like, “Ha, ha, ha.”

Chantal:               That is exactly right, so I just find like, I actually have that on a Post-it Note up on my-

Mark:                    Oh, wow.

Chantal:               [crosstalk 00:23:32] screen, and I interviewed him probably two years ago, and I’ve had it up there ever since because it just reminds me that you really do need to set your day up in the fashion, and in the way of how you want it to run, and how your priorities are, and your goals are, because the second you open up that email you … Attention is diverted, so I just wanted to share that with you because I love that, and it’s so in line with what you were saying.

Mark:                    It’s true.

Chantal:               So, we finish each of our shows with [inaudible 00:23:56] inspiration, and I’m hoping you can leave us today with your three very best tips for improving productivity in your week.

Mark:                    Yeah, I have a few that are useful. I think the first step I think to successful productivity for me actually always starts with getting clear around one’s vision of what sort of life you’re looking to create, and how you’re looking to impact the world, so it’s hard I think to effectively discuss time management, and separating it from one’s vision, and one’s like personal values, and one’s like mission, and how they hope to service their communities, so I think one tip for maximum productivity is just making sure you have a clear sense of where you’re going. It is another apocryphal story, whether you told it, or not the sort of famous Stephen Covey, parable about climbing up a brick wall very aggressively and very efficiently only discover you are on the wrong building. I think it is important before we strap on the time efficiency jet pack that we make sure we’re going the right direction, so that is definitely, I think one piece of that.

Mark:                    I think another tip that is incredibly useful as another exercise that is valuable, and that is I think doing a time audit. Now, time audits or an exercise that probably a lot of people are familiar with, and of course it’s deceptively simple, but when you do it is often sobering, and [inaudible 00:25:22] and what that is, is essentially you wanna track how you’re using your time for a week, and ideally you’re tracking down to like the five minute increments. You’re really tracking it over a seven day period, how are you using your time? And, a couple things to keep in mind when this exercise is proposed, number one, most people will always be like, well, this isn’t a typical week, it was never a typical week, right? I would do it, but that well, this isn’t a typical week, right?

Mark:                    Number two, interestingly enough, and this is very similar to food consumption, and it’s very similar to our spending habits, most of us don’t have an accurate sense of how much time we’re spending on things, so self reported data is not very accurate. There’s a great book called 168 Hours, that actually speaks of this, where when you actually look, and actually track how people are spending time in spite of this pernicious story, most people aren’t actually working 50 to 60 to 70 hours a week. Most people, we feel very busy, but for most of us, we’re not actually using that time as effectively as we could.

Mark:                    And, my third and final tip is as a quickie, and again, it’s not [inaudible 00:26:29] for everybody, I wanna keep saying one of the challenges of personal productivity is just like fitness. If you feel like you’re being told, you have to do something and you resist against it, so I keep on [inaudible 00:26:38] everyone listening permission. You don’t have to do any of these things if you don’t to. I want you to at least consider it. I want you to think about, is there value in it objectively, but I don’t want you to feel pressured when I’m telling you to do this, but I’ll tell you what, my third tip taking push notifications off your phone is a very important.

Mark:                    Now, it depends on your job. It depends on where you’re at in your career. There are moments where if you’re for instance growing your fitness business, and you need to be available, and we know that following up, clicking on prospects can be important thing. If you don’t have a team, you have to do that, that might be you, and I totally understand that, but when you can move to a place where you take ideally at least email notifications off your phone and for most people I would suggest Facebook notifications off your phone. There is probably [inaudible 00:27:22] where you can leave perhaps things that are more of the moment like maybe Twitter tends to be quite a little bit fast response.

Mark:                    And, what I personally do which is very bold, and I’m not saying anyone else needs to do this, my phone is always on do not disturb, so if there is a text message notification, it’ll show up on my lock screen if I check it, but my phone does not deep, my phone does not buzz, and everyone that I work with on my team knows that if something is time sensitive an email is not the best way to do it.

Mark:                    I’m gonna Inbox Zero three to four times a day, so I’m still going to be responsive. You’re never not gonna hear from you within a few hours, but if pirates are attacking the Ninja Clubhouse, and you need me to come and defend the clubhouse, an email is not an effective way to get my attention quickly. We should be probably doing a phone call at this point, so I think using that system, if you are excited by that, and that tantalises you, does require I think some effective communication of your particular system so that people that you’re working with, both your team and your clients, but I think mastering or personal tech is so incredibly important.

Mark:                    Personal tech is an amazing servant, It’s amazing tool, and is a terrible master, and my final thought about this is we live in a world where the current trend towards personal tech is these devices, these platforms, these social media channels are designed with the understanding of human psychology cognition to make us addicted, and again, I say that without judgement , I just observed that, but what I also wanna share is that the kind of high leverage, high impact creative work that we wanna do to move the ball forward, to say nothing of the ability to stay present with someone, we’re looking to connect with them in a meaningful and human way, and we all know that’s more than just our work. That’s our ability to be with our loved ones, our lives.

Mark:                    If we have a brain that is trained to get itchy, and is trained to wait for that buzz, for that beat, for that like, and we’re so used to constant checking in with that, I suspect that is not the best thing for our long term brain health or our ability to create the sort of, “Deep work.” that allows to really empty on in the world our unique gifts so that we’re leaving the world empty, and giving everything we got from our brief time, our mortal coil.

Chantal:               Just wow, first of all, and second of all, I am so excited that you mentioned that push notifications because I implemented that practise about 12 months ago after Trina Grey, the wonderful Trina Grey actually said that to me, and she’s a woman that I look up to, and admire so much, fortunately, she does, and what she, her productivity levels are incredible, and she said to me, “Turn off your email notifications.” and it took a lot of guts for me to do it, but it transforms, right.

Mark:                    Wow.

Chantal:               Yeah, and I’m so glad you mentioned it because I had actually forgotten about, and I don’t think we’ve talked a bit about it on the show, and so I’m so excited that you’ve shared that with all of the FBP Family, and the other thing I wanted to touch on is your point about time tracking. There’s actually a great app that I use because I was in a situation a couple years ago where I was really thinking, “Man, I just feel like I’m spending so much time on these certain projects.” and I thought, “Well, I’m gonna have to just actually look at it properly and analytically and track it.”

Chantal:               So, I used a fantastic free tool which is called Toggl. It’s T-O-G-G-L, and you can jump online and check it out, and basically it’s just like a stop start button on your computer, and you can write the task that you’re working on, and stop it, start it when you begin, and stop it when you end, and I found it a real eye opener, because like you said, there was stuff that, for me I thought I was spending hours, and hours working on something, and I realised actually no. I wasn’t spending that long or other tasks that I thought were taking me two minutes, and were actually taking me 20 minutes, you know?

Mark:                    Right.

Chantal:               So, I love that concept. Mark, this has been incredible. I knew it would be, and I’m so excited. I wanna encourage everyone to make sure that you jump onto the show notes today.  I’m gonna put links to Marks’ website, to, all of his social media pages because you must check them out like we talked about earlier. Mark, any last messages to finish off on today?

Mark:                    No, I would just say I wanna acknowledge your creating this Chantal. I think a lot of it is my pleasure. Good job.

Chantal:               We’ll, look, the pleasure is all mine, and as I said to you, I’m so glad that I was able to whisper to you that day, and invite you on the show because I knew straight away that you would just be a phenomenal guest, and add so much value to all of our FBP Family, so Mark, thank you so, so much for joining us on the show today.

Mark:                    Thank you so much.

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